Sure!remove our Wind fortification. but give us your duel skill. Which we cant move at all if we got hit by that.And as a sorc we are squishy and cant use any skill at all. D:

Dracke D:


Where have u been dude?! LOL

Citadel, just saying, serkers have 4 itd skills (i know cuz my cousin [Hadis/Ermec] is a serker too..)

They have 4 itd:

Shockwave (AoE skill), Behead, Berserked Assault, AND Charge 2 . :3

What do you mean snipers don't use ITD? IIRC my snper has 2 ITDs, which hurt a lot in BF

I don't think we need to keep this discussion open now, it seems the last update fixed the high damage issue for most players, or at least that's how it seems since I'm not getting reports anymore

ITD will not be removed at this point.

as for my opinion it should stay for us vanquiser... thats why we are here... to deal massive dmge in a single blow.

Yes i mean new level for lisk maybe LISK INSANE. have huge HP on that lisk, so ppl need raid to finish it in time. hehe ^^

I nominate vulcansuki for president )

@James Our highest DoT skill does -600 every 2 secs for 10 secs I believe. So -3.6k HP in 10 secs...thats set DoT damage.

@Sedy Crusaders are Healer controlers, we can nerf healers heal by 70% on themselves or another player. Then all our cast time increase, and what not...its hard for crusaders not to be better at mage/healer control than most classes. I think its our JOB to take out healers. Or just make them useless in Massive PvP...but killing a healer on our own is easy if you can land a Vampric Curse, -70% heal recieved, with +18% lifesteal, and some -30% I'm forgetting...along w/ that and our multitudes of DoT+Stuns, and our new 85 reset we can control healers w/ some effeciancy...and even an occasional warlock/sage that can't push us fast enough. (In Massive PvP whos gonna focus a mesly crusader if we have a tank)? So in my opinion ITDs are OP, if you can mix it w/ classes/your own skill set.

Take Coup De Grace for example, 30% ITD + 25% bonus damage I believe, on top of my 15k dmg (donor).... easily do 24k + at 78. Mix that w/ stun, dot, heal nerf, and more stun, plus my reset, I can easily take out a tank...in theory anyway. xD

Not sure I understand you but I think your saying Lisk should be harder?? Well remember it's level 75 so it's even easier now but it was still easy due to inflated damage and defenses of players. It actually does massive damage but there are so many ways to mitigate it with skills/transforms/pots etc. However, I still see the odd party wiping on it :P

Level 85 Lisk will return later on, probably with some friends.

Who said your supposed to be able to kill a healer on your own? This isn't a 1v1 game, it's an MMO. Work as a team if you want to kill the healer, or use your skills on it solo to distract it and stop it from healing it's allies. If you are up against a healer on your own then you best be ready to spend some time on it whilst it's mana is depleted.

our dot? -2000 5sec 10k only. chance to miss. the rest of the the dot? nvm. you wont even notice it. with all those high hp class.

Totally agree with your point jose and I strongly dislike how 'tanks' are at the moment.

Oh yeah, I wish that I have 4secs. Okay no more posts on this forum. Not with ppl like here. Can't even say my opinion coz someone will call me stupid another one will call me whinning QQer. If you can't talk wuthout insulting ppl just stop talking. Learn how to play my class? I can kill in those 4 secs as well and I'm not saying that Vanquisher is weak and I was never saying just pvp with that dmg has no fun for me. So please just read what I say before answer anyway ok done gonna sleep.

yep its going no where since you only QQ instead of playing your class more to learn =/. Dying easily? 4sec? u have 4 damn sec to press you abs pot and still cant press it?

Now I'm saying that I'm done because discussion with you has no sense. So please just stop reply this post because srsly it going to nowhere.

so now you are saying 20% Base dmg mean nothing? and 40% def is something?

It is boring when I'm dead in one moment and don't have even time to do anything. I can die it's ok but after longer fight not a few secs. If I wanna fast pvp I should play another game but I'm playing here why? Because pvp wasn't like that earlier then suddenly changed. I don't wanna win, I wanna fun but I don't see fun in that pvp.

its boring and fast cuz youre one of those ppl who died now? i heard u used to be OP b4 3rd job, now that u r not it is boring to u?

ikr its hard to bad i give up on my damage and also my reflect.... but guess what i still owned those bishes complaining about my Soulblader Class. your class is next you will be nerfed!!! lets quit together ahahaha.

Isn't 20% dmg in destruction shitty if you compare it to itd? It is . Anyway whatever in your opinion sorc is weak coz u playing sorc. I'm gonna wait a bit if pvp will be still fast and boring like that I will just quit. k whinning QQer done. Ty

my bad again ... shitty def + 40% def weeeeee ... It increase def base u know that? not total def

20% def weeeeee ... shitty def + 20% def yay for your brilliant idea ahaha

Its hard Ex. they are all used to be not giving up on anything but still having high dmg/HP/hit chance, now they have to give up on either 1 of them lol.

EVEN YOU REMOVE ITD OR NOT ~ NOOB PLAYER WILL BE A NOOB PLAYER ~ PRO PLAYER WILL BE PRO WHAT EVER IT TAKES... and theres always a QQ.... Let the people adopt on each class first before doing something master sedy
-This issue won't solve anything theres always a QQ... especially for those people who can't move on because of this new 3rd Job.

And now all ITDs are 'bugging' to 100% based on each individual character and their respective damage, now ALL classes can enjoy the same shit that got thrown at Zerks/Glads with Destruction and Mercs with Chilled! woot woot!

its not itd anymore so? and WF is still abs maybe change it to 40% def since we got 20% attack?

yeah whinning and QQ maybe its funny when you said it first time, but keep saying it now is really bored but if u feel better ok whatever im QQing.

destruction bug to deal 100% ITD not 100% attack add lol.

whinning and QQ online.net?

wadi suki meant itd not the atk lol.

as I cannot resist joining shitstorms, I'm throwing my 2 cents in:
I explained in detail why Sorcs should not have Wind Fort several times, but it seems either Sedy doesn't [want to] give a damn about it, or I was getting silenced by immediate collective whin*cough*counter-arguments.
I do not really care enough as to type out the shit all over again, so I'll just stick with what Wadi said - no DPS class should have any skills allowing and promoting reckless gameplay.
[I'd just like to point out that it does apply to Destruction, as well. It shouldn't make a return either.]

EDIT: looking over the new comments that got posted while I was typing...proves once more that if Sorcs still cannot give exact proof that Wind Fort isn't imba and shouldn't be nerfed (preferring to troll instead)...ringin' any bells, Sedy?
I'm really tired of this shit and I'm out.
*off to sleep

It wasn't bugged on retail, the plethora of stuff here has elevated peoples damage to much higher numbers than Eya originally intended. It wasn't easy to see this coming so Sedy obviously didn't have time to properly test and adjust things accordingly. Also didn't help all the people whining about quitting if the 3rd job wasn't launched asap.

Is destruction bugged to 100% attack? since when?

lol and? isnt it all bugged to 100%? does WF bug to 100% abs?

And now we got 20/30% attack while you got much better 40% abs. Even destruction 15s, WF 20s nice.

Destruction is original skill but it was bugged, right? and now changed to 20% Atk.
wind fort is original skill but nerfed from 30s to 20s, right?
it still doesnt make it fair?

People complained about destruction and chilled, look what got removed and they were both retail originals.

Destruction was our original skill and it doesnt give itd anymore and?

You wanna talk about skills? Look at how many ITD added in here for all classes compare to retail. WF has been our original skill and got nerf it. Not some random skill got change or added =/ Why are you QQ-ing about original skill LOL

I'm bored of you two. If you really don't see how op is sorc atm no comment. 120k hp? Yeah can't you get it with stamina 15% in head, 10% bf winner buff, 20% hp lead buff in BF, 4 bf acces and shield? Because those I need to got that 120k hp. And idk why u talking about hp coz skills gives me none hp and we are talking about skills not items.